THE MIGHTY AV8 EXPLAINED
Source http://www.armyrecognition.com
Arriving in a bad timing is the Controversial AV8. The project are estimated at a total of RM 7.2 billion (US$ 2.4 billion) as a comparison when Egypt was granted the same local production and TOT the cost are US$3.2 billion to built 500 M1A1 Abrams (downgraded version) MAIN BATTLE TANK in Egypt. ,, and please dont be an idiot M1A1 Abrams are a MAIN BATTLE TANK and not IFV.. so no, construction cost per unit of Abrams will never be cheaper than AV8.
Arriving in a bad timing is the Controversial AV8. The project are estimated at a total of RM 7.2 billion (US$ 2.4 billion) as a comparison when Egypt was granted the same local production and TOT the cost are US$3.2 billion to built 500 M1A1 Abrams (downgraded version) MAIN BATTLE TANK in Egypt. ,, and please dont be an idiot M1A1 Abrams are a MAIN BATTLE TANK and not IFV.. so no, construction cost per unit of Abrams will never be cheaper than AV8.
Preliminary cost of RM100 million will be bear by DEFTECH to build and upgrades its manufacturing facilities in Pekan. With the new production lines under construction in Pekan, Pahang, there is no doubt that AV8 will be manufactured by DEFTECH in Malaysia. The 2 units of so called sealed pattern vehicle was redesigned by FNSS and DEFTECH engineers such as nose section is raised, sides are shaped, driver windows lowered, it is a very thorough new design. Its bigger.. its bad ass.
COMMUNICATION and NETWORK CENTRIC OPERATIONS
Sapura Thales Electronics (STE), will supply the complete HF and VHF radio communications system for the 257 vehicles. Thales also are responsible for the integration of all c4ISR systems for the AV-8. Thales will provide integrated and scalable vehicle electronic architecture system including a wide range of new-generation equipment (communications, vectronics, sensors, command & control, mortar, optronics, etc.)
VARIANTS
VARIANTS
The AV8 will be build in 12 variants. Why 12 variant? I dont know.. probably because FNSS lump sum the whole nine yards of technologies transfer and know how into one package. This is probally why the whole project are estimated at RM7.2 billion. If i have a say about this we should start small.. one or two variants. So anyway 178 with 30-mm or 25-mm turret, or 12.7-mm remotely controlled weapon station while other versions include armored surveillance vehicle with battlefield radar and mast mounted sensors (24), command vehicles (13), armored ambulances (9), armored recovery vehicles (9), maintenance vehicles (9), 120-mm mortar carriers (8), engineering and NBC reconnaissance vehicles (4) and signals vehicles (3)
FNSS and DEFTECH coorperations
Basically FNSS and DEFTECH and 100 others local company are cooperating for co-production or assemblies of associated weapons, equipment, parts, training and logistical support armament Systems, weapon , engines and transmissions, canon test cartridges, spare and repair parts, maintenance, support equipment, special tool and test equipment, personnel training and equipment, publications and technical documentation, contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. THIS IS HUGE. This is not a simple assemblies thingy that a lot of people thought.
It is still unknown if a new facility for repairing and overhauling AV8 transporters and recovery vehicles will be inclusive of the current new manufacturing plant or it will be built seperately. This directly connected to AV-8 production. As the number of AV-8 increases, so too must the number of tank recovery vehicles available. Probably will be included in the RM7.2 billion? maybe. No detail yet.
Like all TOT programs, the agreement had an inflated price tag 7.2 billion.However, the added cost appears to have secured a number of strategic goals for malaysia, namely a brand new hightech manufacturing facilities, development and research of new applique armor, integration of network centric Operation and SAKTI future soldiers.
What happen after number 257? We export.
The construction of new factory infrastructure, research and training facilities, and testing labs to enhance foreign collaboration is actually an effort to gain access to foreign defense technologies, albeit in an expensive way.
The question do remain.. If you can buy it outside cheaper, why built our self? Well first of, read the strategic gain i've written above.
Now we talk about ECONOMIC MULTIPLIER on Malaysian who directly or indirectly involved whom will receive direct or indirect benefit from this project. The payment are believed to be spread for 13 years and will benefit 100 locals companies which involved with the project, thus creating thousands of new job for Malaysians. That and the money will spread down like wild fire all the way to makcik jual nasi lemak at the plant or the contractors or engineers who build the plants or suppliers of construction materials and its vendors,.... AND ALL OF THEIR FAMILY!. THATS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
This economic multiplier will resonates to many Malaysians for years to come. On the other hand if we bought the equivalent of AV8 off the shelf from other country or manufactured outside Malaysia.. Malaysian will receive zero ECONOMIC MULTIPLIER instead its the original country that will receive the whole benefit of ECONOMIC MULTIPLIER.
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. IN FACT TAKE THE WHOLE FUCKING HOUR TO THINK.
AV8 WEAPON SPECIFICATION
source http://www.armyrecognition.com
One of the Sealed Pattern Vehicles (SPS) has a one-person power-operated turret armed with a 25mm cannon and 7.62mm co-axial machine gun. This is basically the same kind of turret and weapon as ACV 300 ADNAN. The logic behind this setup is for commonality with ACV 300 Adnan turret logistic and spare parts.
Now we talk about ECONOMIC MULTIPLIER on Malaysian who directly or indirectly involved whom will receive direct or indirect benefit from this project. The payment are believed to be spread for 13 years and will benefit 100 locals companies which involved with the project, thus creating thousands of new job for Malaysians. That and the money will spread down like wild fire all the way to makcik jual nasi lemak at the plant or the contractors or engineers who build the plants or suppliers of construction materials and its vendors,.... AND ALL OF THEIR FAMILY!. THATS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
This economic multiplier will resonates to many Malaysians for years to come. On the other hand if we bought the equivalent of AV8 off the shelf from other country or manufactured outside Malaysia.. Malaysian will receive zero ECONOMIC MULTIPLIER instead its the original country that will receive the whole benefit of ECONOMIC MULTIPLIER.
THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND. IN FACT TAKE THE WHOLE FUCKING HOUR TO THINK.
AV8 WEAPON SPECIFICATION
source http://www.armyrecognition.com
One of the Sealed Pattern Vehicles (SPS) has a one-person power-operated turret armed with a 25mm cannon and 7.62mm co-axial machine gun. This is basically the same kind of turret and weapon as ACV 300 ADNAN. The logic behind this setup is for commonality with ACV 300 Adnan turret logistic and spare parts.
The M242 Bushmaster is a 25 mm (25×137mm) chain-fed autocannon. It is an externally powered, chain driven, single-barrel weapon which may be fired in semi-automatic or automatic modes. It is fed by a metallic link belt and has dual-feed capability. The term "chain gun" derives from the use of a roller chain that drives the bolt back and forth. The gun can destroy lightly armored vehicles and aerial targets (such as helicopters and slow-flying aircraft). It can also suppress enemy positions such as exposed troops, dug-in positions, and occupied built-up areas. The standard rate of fire is 180 rounds per minute. The weapon has an effective range of 3,000 metres (9,800 ft), depending on the type of ammunition used.
There will be two type of turret design by Denel, the first is the LCT30, a two man turret with two-axis stabilisation and it is armed with a 30 mm GI-30 cannon and a FN Herstal MAG 58M coaxial 7.62 mm machine gun with elevation from -10deg; to +30deg; and 360deg; traverse. Personaly i dont think a 2 man turret is a great idea.
Denel export contract at a total of €340-million (R3.5-billion). The contract covers the supply of crewed and remotely operated turrets and anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) to be fitted to AV8.
Denel will supply 69 two-man turrets mounting the GI30 30 mm cannon, 54 missile turrets mounting both the GI30 gun and the Ingwe ATGM, 54 remotely operated weapons systems and 216 laser-guided Ingwe ATGMs. The turrets and GI30 cannons are products of Denel Land Systems and the Ingwe is made by Denel Dynamics.
Denel is currently manufacturing the first shipment of turrets, which will be delivered in January next year for trials by the Malaysians. The contract will run for seven years.
Denel will provide offsets to Malaysia, which will include the assembly of the turrets in the Asian country and the transfer of weapons system integration technology. Malaysia already operates Denel’s G5 155 mm gun/howitzer.
LCT30 two man turret
Denel export contract at a total of €340-million (R3.5-billion). The contract covers the supply of crewed and remotely operated turrets and anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) to be fitted to AV8.
Denel will supply 69 two-man turrets mounting the GI30 30 mm cannon, 54 missile turrets mounting both the GI30 gun and the Ingwe ATGM, 54 remotely operated weapons systems and 216 laser-guided Ingwe ATGMs. The turrets and GI30 cannons are products of Denel Land Systems and the Ingwe is made by Denel Dynamics.
Denel is currently manufacturing the first shipment of turrets, which will be delivered in January next year for trials by the Malaysians. The contract will run for seven years.
Denel will provide offsets to Malaysia, which will include the assembly of the turrets in the Asian country and the transfer of weapons system integration technology. Malaysia already operates Denel’s G5 155 mm gun/howitzer.
No picture of the Denel turet just yet but here an artist impression from us.
Or this ... you get the idea right? this is not PARS by the way.
The MAG 58M is a 7.62 x 51 mm NATO machine gun specifically designed and developed by the Belgian Company FN Herstalfor pintle type airborne, land and sea applications. It can be installed on FN mount or on the existing mount of the carrier. The MAG58M fires from an open breech to avoid the cook-off phenomenon and is fed with belted ammunition.
The rate of fire can be ajusted manually through a gas regulator which ensures a smoothly functioning and overcomes stoppages in adverse conditions. The GI30 is a dual-feed 30x173 mm cannon with an effective range of 3 000 m. It has two firing modes, a closed-breech, single-shot 'sniper mode' for engaging point targets, and a three-round burst mode at 100 rounds/minute for general use. The integrated fire-control system combines a video and thermal sight with three fields of view, an integrated laser range finder, a ballistic computer, an auto-tracker, and touch-screen battle panels for the commander and the gunner. The panels display the sight image, ballistic data and battle management information.
The system automatically adjusts for range, cant, target movement, closing rate, meteorological conditions and ammunition characteristics. A laser warning system alerts the crew to threats and can be linked to automatically trigger the electrically discharged grenade launchers to deploy screening agents or HE grenades. A row of four smoke grenade discharger is mounted at the front and rear on each side top
of the hull. On single grenade launcher is mounted to each side of the turret and three more on each side at the rear.
The second is the LCT30-ATGW, an antitank variant of the LCT30 which is similar but integrates the beam generator for the Ingwe laser beam-riding missile, mounts elevating twin launchers on either side, and has a different thermal imager lens to allow for the greater engagement ranges. The Ingwe missile from Denel Dynamics business entity, has an effective range of 5,000 m and a tandem shaped-charge warhead that can penetrate up to 1,000 mm of homogenous steel armour protected by reactive armour.
artist impression from MYMIL
ARMOUR, HULL and CHASSIS
The hull of the AV8 consists of a composite aluminium and steel armour that provides a protection for the crew and infantry against firing of small arms 7.62 mm armour-piercing attack through a full 360deg;. The AV8 is more protected than the basic PARS 8x8 with additional armour mounted at the front and to the sides of the hull. The driver and the commander seats are located at the front of the vehicle, the turret in the middle and the troop's compartment at the rear.
There is three large day periscopes at the front position of driver and commander and one on each side that provide excellent visibility. Eleven infantrymen can be seated at the rear of the hull on individual seats down each side of the hull facing inwards. All shock-absorbing seats are fitted with five-point seatbelts as standard. Back of the driver and commander position, there is an access passage to the troop compartment at the right side of the hull. The troops leave and enter the vehicle via a large hydraulic ramp mounted at the rear of the hull.
The AV8 uses a 8x8 chassis and is motorized with a German Deutz turbocharged diesel engine, developing 550 hp, coupled to a fully automatic transmission with 6 forward and 1 reverse gears.The diesel power pack is mounted to the rear of the driver and commander position on the left side of the hull. The AV8 can run at a maximum road speed of 100 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 700 km. The vehicle can climb up to 60% gradient and vertical obstacle of 0.7 m, move on 30% side slope and cross a trench of maximum 2m.
SENSORS AND OPTICS
Standard equipment of the AV8 includes Two thermal cameras and CCD cameras in the front and rear, providing driver/commander with high situational awareness, dual channel Central Tyre Inflation System (CTIS) and run-flat tyre inserts, integrated auxiliary power unit, self-recovery winch, air conditioning, NBC protection system, automatic fire suppression system and land navigation system. the AV8 is fully amphibious and propelled in the water by two waterjets mounted at the rear of the hull.
Thales's high-level expertise in C4ISR systems for land forces will provide the AV8 project with an integrated and scalable vehicle electronic architecture system including a wide range of new-generation equipment (communications, vetronics, sensors, command & control, mortar, optronics, etc.) to meet the rigorous operational performance criteria of the Malaysian Army.
As one of the main integrator of the AV8 Project, Thales roles will be to deliver:
The Reconnaissance AV8 vehicle will be equipped with the Vingtaqs II, a target acquisition and surveillance system from the Company Vinghog which is part of Rheinmetall Nordic AS, former Simrad Optronics ASA. The Company was acquired by the German company Rheinmetall AG in 2010. VINGTAQS II is a vehicle installed target acquisition and surveillance system to be used to accurately determine target coordinates from the vehicle forward observer position. The VINGTAQS Fire Control System (FCS) can also be equipped with instrumentation to laser designate targets at a long distance, in the role of supporting the Forward Air Controller (FAC).
The system has a complete sensor package for long range, all weather, all day capability and it can compute target coordinates up to 20 kilometers Maximum detection ranges are 48 km (Radar), 17 km (Day Camera), 15 km (Thermal Imaging Module) The positioning system consists of the Internal Navigation System (INS) and a Global Positioning System (GPS) The INS can be used independently of the GPS The system can be operated while on the move The system can be integrated to most BMS/C4I systems.
Radar images are presented onto map with shown area of radar sweep (when connected to BMS). The detected target is presented onto map. If the radar detects a target the day/thermal camera will automatically turn to the area of the target. The system has Auto Sweep functionality that allows the operator to predefine a number of targets to be surveyed automatically by the sensors. The system has Automatic Video Tracker, Scene Locker, Image Stabilization and Image Fusion (thermal and day channels are presented as overlay). The system has a local hard drive for saving photos and/or videos. The system provides possibility for streaming video and/or sending photos (connected to BMS)
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The hull of the AV8 consists of a composite aluminium and steel armour that provides a protection for the crew and infantry against firing of small arms 7.62 mm armour-piercing attack through a full 360deg;. The AV8 is more protected than the basic PARS 8x8 with additional armour mounted at the front and to the sides of the hull. The driver and the commander seats are located at the front of the vehicle, the turret in the middle and the troop's compartment at the rear.
There is three large day periscopes at the front position of driver and commander and one on each side that provide excellent visibility. Eleven infantrymen can be seated at the rear of the hull on individual seats down each side of the hull facing inwards. All shock-absorbing seats are fitted with five-point seatbelts as standard. Back of the driver and commander position, there is an access passage to the troop compartment at the right side of the hull. The troops leave and enter the vehicle via a large hydraulic ramp mounted at the rear of the hull.
The AV8 uses a 8x8 chassis and is motorized with a German Deutz turbocharged diesel engine, developing 550 hp, coupled to a fully automatic transmission with 6 forward and 1 reverse gears.The diesel power pack is mounted to the rear of the driver and commander position on the left side of the hull. The AV8 can run at a maximum road speed of 100 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 700 km. The vehicle can climb up to 60% gradient and vertical obstacle of 0.7 m, move on 30% side slope and cross a trench of maximum 2m.
AV 8 frontal armour a combination of composite aluminium and steel armour with add on applique armour.
The troops leave and enter the vehicle via a large hydraulic ramp mounted at the rear of the hull.
SENSORS AND OPTICS
Standard equipment of the AV8 includes Two thermal cameras and CCD cameras in the front and rear, providing driver/commander with high situational awareness, dual channel Central Tyre Inflation System (CTIS) and run-flat tyre inserts, integrated auxiliary power unit, self-recovery winch, air conditioning, NBC protection system, automatic fire suppression system and land navigation system. the AV8 is fully amphibious and propelled in the water by two waterjets mounted at the rear of the hull.
Thales's high-level expertise in C4ISR systems for land forces will provide the AV8 project with an integrated and scalable vehicle electronic architecture system including a wide range of new-generation equipment (communications, vetronics, sensors, command & control, mortar, optronics, etc.) to meet the rigorous operational performance criteria of the Malaysian Army.
As one of the main integrator of the AV8 Project, Thales roles will be to deliver:
- A state of the art open vehicle electronic architecture designed to optimise integration and enable information exchange (voice, data and video) both within vehicles and externally. It combines a set of sub-systems and specific equipment that assist the commander during the mission (Battlefield Management System), manage the status of the vehicle components (Platform Management System), assist navigation, provide an optimised situational awareness (picture / status / report) and enhance survivability.
- The gunner sight system (DNGS T1) of the Infantry Fighting Vehicles 30mm turret including the optronic suite of all combat variants fitted with the 3rd Generation Thermal Imager (Catherine XP).
- The SQUIRE ground surveillance radar for detection/tracking and classification of moving ground targets on the Surveillance Variant
- TDA's unique 120mm 2R2M Mortar of the mortar variant offering an unmatched range of 13km.
The Reconnaissance AV8 vehicle will be equipped with the Vingtaqs II, a target acquisition and surveillance system from the Company Vinghog which is part of Rheinmetall Nordic AS, former Simrad Optronics ASA. The Company was acquired by the German company Rheinmetall AG in 2010. VINGTAQS II is a vehicle installed target acquisition and surveillance system to be used to accurately determine target coordinates from the vehicle forward observer position. The VINGTAQS Fire Control System (FCS) can also be equipped with instrumentation to laser designate targets at a long distance, in the role of supporting the Forward Air Controller (FAC).
sample of Vingtaqs II mounted on Commando Elite 4x4 Vehicle
The system has a complete sensor package for long range, all weather, all day capability and it can compute target coordinates up to 20 kilometers Maximum detection ranges are 48 km (Radar), 17 km (Day Camera), 15 km (Thermal Imaging Module) The positioning system consists of the Internal Navigation System (INS) and a Global Positioning System (GPS) The INS can be used independently of the GPS The system can be operated while on the move The system can be integrated to most BMS/C4I systems.
Vingtaqs II, a target acquisition and surveillance system
Radar images are presented onto map with shown area of radar sweep (when connected to BMS). The detected target is presented onto map. If the radar detects a target the day/thermal camera will automatically turn to the area of the target. The system has Auto Sweep functionality that allows the operator to predefine a number of targets to be surveyed automatically by the sensors. The system has Automatic Video Tracker, Scene Locker, Image Stabilization and Image Fusion (thermal and day channels are presented as overlay). The system has a local hard drive for saving photos and/or videos. The system provides possibility for streaming video and/or sending photos (connected to BMS)
SEKAIN